tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post3185375949364914793..comments2024-03-03T19:52:17.901+00:00Comments on ReARM ~ RedNev's Blog: Fined for hazy beerNeville Grundyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post-17744018237207509552016-09-19T12:41:29.921+01:002016-09-19T12:41:29.921+01:00I think you're right, CL, and I am irritated w...I think you're right, CL, and I am irritated when certain real ale types refer to keg beers as "chemical fizz". What do they hope to achieve by insulting the preferred drink of people they presumably are hoping to convert to real ale? They are likely to have quite the opposite effect.RedNevhttp://rednev-rearm.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post-55045046338571189402016-09-19T10:45:24.429+01:002016-09-19T10:45:24.429+01:00It seems to me that referring to an industrial pro...It seems to me that referring to an industrial processing agent via the origins of how the chemical is derived is meant to elicit a response of disgust in the mind of the consumer. CAMRA does this regularly, whenever it dismisses none cask beers as "chemical"<br /><br />Imagine if Burger King and McDonalds regularly argued there competitor’s burgers were somehow disgusting and people should not trust the origin of the meat. The effect would be to suppress the whole industry. They would damage themselves as much as their competitor. So they don’t do it. Like sausage makers, they tell you to trust their own product but do not elicit disgust at competitors.<br /><br />In fact the origin of the hamburger as the all American meal is related to a chain called White Castle that sponsored a university student to live off there hamburgers in the 20s and thus creating trust in a processed meat product. They created an industry by removing pre-existing mistrust and creating trust. The trust that the burger was as wholesome as steak.<br /><br />Therefore what is a campaign to save pubs, requiring people to use them and trust them, doing in creating mistrust and disgust at the products that are present in most pubs? Makes you want to sit on the couch with a nice Shiraz.<br />Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post-28459380229152341512016-09-18T14:07:31.760+01:002016-09-18T14:07:31.760+01:00Tyson amongst others has said that the fish are ca...Tyson amongst others has said that the fish are caught for food, so the swim bladders are just a by-product. In which case I can't really see any objection from a vegetarian point of view. It's a processing aid, not an ingredient.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post-31543807127611799622016-09-18T13:24:09.772+01:002016-09-18T13:24:09.772+01:00I've wondered that as well.I've wondered that as well.RedNevhttp://rednev-rearm.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post-26365807414475135092016-09-17T07:59:03.347+01:002016-09-17T07:59:03.347+01:00Yes, if the finings have done their job properly, ...Yes, if the finings have done their job properly, they will sit at the bottom of the cask and you won't be ingesting them.<br /><br />I don't know whether the fish are caught specifically for isinglass, or whether it is a by-product of fish caught for food. If the latter, then isinglass is no more objectionable to vegetarians than leather.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post-31726203838106206772016-09-16T13:44:03.162+01:002016-09-16T13:44:03.162+01:00I agree, and the CAMRA press release makes a simil...I agree, and the CAMRA press release makes a similar point to you in that it describes isinglass as a clearing agent rather than an ingredient.RedNevhttp://rednev-rearm.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8285162121291357473.post-54769062805901153952016-09-16T13:37:38.749+01:002016-09-16T13:37:38.749+01:00I also picked up on this story from the BBC websit...I also picked up on this story from the BBC website. The whole “fish guts” thing is both inaccurate and unnecessarily alarmist and I will be posting on this issue later.<br /><br />Isinglass should be classed as a “processing aid”, rather than an ingredient, as once the finings have done their work, by attracting and combining with the yeast cells suspended in the beer, they are sitting at the bottom of the cask, along with the yeast. The technical term for this layer of sediment is “trub”, and unless the cellar man really didn’t know what he was doing, you wouldn’t be drinking it anyway.<br />Paul Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678639237696546268noreply@blogger.com